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Douglas Feltham's avatar

You are missing a lot of the other factors that go into the relative merits of different taxing methods. The main three being how hard is the tax to collect, how easy is it to avoid, and how neutral is the tax (i.e. how much does it change peoples behavior. For all of these income taxes are worse.

With Salestaxes/VAT's the vast majority of people do not file a return, and the businesses which due file a far more simplified return then a corporate tax one, since it is based on real receipted events rather then GAAP accruals. This means that far less time is forced to be spent by people on it, and far less money is turned into deadweight loss paying jerk-offs like me to prepare taxes.

With Salestaxes/VAT's it is far harder to falsify your return. While I can claim that I made my money in Camen, it is far harder to claim that's where I ate my lunch if I am in LA. And since it s based on real purchases, with subjective deductions it is far harder to slip out of what your owe. And in a VAT system specifically it is far harder for companies to falsify their returns, since your taxes owing is your counterparties tax credit, so the government can find underreporting easily. The overall impact being that is costs the gov far less money to collect per dollar, and the burden is more evenly spread within a class.

Finally Salestaxes/VAT's are more neutral/cause less harmful changes in incentives. With a VAT there is a very limited impact on someone's marginal desire to work, and in so far as they are evenly applied they are not biasing what sorts of consumption those people choose to engage in. So beyond a moderate disincentive towards consumption, and incentive towards investment (which seems good in an inflationary environment?) they don't cause much deadweight loss from suboptimal choices. Where income taxes do have a disincentive impact on people choice to work at the margin. Like for every point you increase the income tax rates there is some amount of people working less or retiring. Which again is suboptimal for society (particularly when we have a labour shortage), since that is now less stuff overall being produced that people find valuable.

Also on being progressive, I want to point out that how progressive a single element is in isolation, isn't really relevant. What matters is how progressive the system is as a whole. Like Salestaxes/VAT's can easily be very progressive if ether you are 1) giving low income people a rebate on them, like they do in Canada, or 2) spend the money you raise on services or programs that disproportionately help lower income groups. Even if people lower down pay more in sales taxes, if they get even more back in transfers they are further ahead. So you are better off finding the methods of taxation that are better at raising funds at minimal costs and making people whole, rather then trying to contort collection, so you only send a bill to Bezos.

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ZachAJ's avatar

Milan, I recommend you stop saying the word “fair” or “unfair” as justification. E.g., “you’d make the bill for existing ones a bit fairer“, “That struck me as kind of unfair”. There just isn’t a universally accepted definition for “fair”.

One could say that the rich can more easily afford a higher tax rate, or that reducing sales tax would have a stimulative effect since lower income quartiles spend a high proportion of their income.

But it isn’t “fair” or “unfair” for higher incomes to pay a higher percentage. In some sense, it is more “unfair” to charge an individual more for the same (or less!) services that they use. When I get a haircut, they don’t charge me based on a percent of my income, nor do they increase the percent as my income goes up.

By the way, I overall agree with raising the progressivity of income taxes (even though this would impact me negatively). It just grates me every time I see the reasoning being given that somehow the current state of affairs is “unfair”. Progressives do this all the time and it drives me nuts.

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