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John from FL's avatar

Matt writes: "That means strong borders, it means deporting people who actually do commit crimes..."

My one (and relatively small) point of disagreement with Matt on this topic -- he is broadly right in his advocacy for increased immigration -- is this: If one wants "strong borders", presumably that is to keep out people who are attempting to enter illegally. So, why limit deportation to those who "actually do commit crimes"?

This rhetorically sounds to me like illegal immigration isn't a crime and isn't subjected to deportation. It is fuel for the view that we want open borders.

Our stance should be: Strong Borders, Deport Illegal Immigrants, Increase Legal Immigration Pathways.

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Immigration is one of those Slow Boring hot-button issues, and at a certain level I think it's one of those ultimately irreconcilable topics because of psychological and emotional preferences.

I'm always cautious with work in political psychology, because doing good surveys is hard, but it does seem to be the case that people are roughly broken down between between a preference for sameness and a preference for difference. I'm not saying one is better - I know which one I prefer, but that is me and my preference doesn't really matter.

Being a political geographer, though, I would argue that if we're being honest with ourselves, technocratic details about immigration don't matter at a certain point. I agree that nailing the politics of immigration preferences - the topic of this essay - is essential for Democrats in the short term, but taking a step back, the notion of bounded political community that confers privileges on insiders and restrictions on outsiders relies on boundaries that are ultimately arbitrary. Deciding where those boundaries lie is inherently political - there is nothing natural or eternal or transcendent about them (on this point I disagree with e.g. Damon Linker, who wants to argue based on e.g. Isaiah Berlin that national communities have moral ontological status).

As is often the case, I'm not really sure what I'm trying to say other than that it strikes me that a lot of the debates that play out here over immigration seem to be more resistant to data-driven explanation and rely on prior beliefs and preferences more than is the case for other topics (big exception: trans issues, which is the ultimate "yell at each other" topic), and I think that's inherent to the topic itself.

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