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JCW's avatar

I'm a former academic health care person and a current critical care nurse. One thing that should probably be added to this conversation is that Medicaid subsidizes everyone's health care in the hospital in ways that are probably not obvious.

Just to take one example, the high-end equipment in a major urban hospital is incredibly expensive, plus it has high hourly operating costs (the labor or technicians, the drugs used in imaging, etc.), and you have to pay for the labor even if you don't use the machine because you need to keep the techs on hand for emergencies. If someone has a stroke at 4 am, you need to know whether it is a brain bleed or a blocked blood vessel, because the treatment for one will kill the patient with the other. So the machine effectively has a constant baseline operating cost even when it is not running. To make that equation work financially, the hospital needs that equipment to run 24/7--this is why I'm often rolling patients back to radiology at 3 am.

But you can't fill that imaging suite with paying patients unless you have the patients to start with. That's where Medicaid and -care come in. Medicaid, especially, pays lousy reimbursement rates, but lousy reimbursement is way better than nothing, particularly when nothing is actually a constant operating loss.

So even if you are a wealthy person with very fancy insurance, the bottom line is that you can get imaging when you come to my hospital because the machine's operating costs are being subsidized by all the poor people in the rooms all around you. There's just not enough wealthy patients to make the math work otherwise. You encounter this phenomenon in smaller and rural hospitals; it's one of several reasons why they just flat don't have the kind of equipment that you find in the major urban medical centers. There are simply not enough patients to subsidize the equipment.

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Emiliano Zazueta's avatar

I work in healthcare and the amount of care that is done to placate families rather than help the patient seems notable.

Sending patients post anoxic brain injury to vent farms until they die years later of pressure sores is common, pointless, and cruel. Likewise is subjecting the Alzheimer's elderly lady to forced dialysis, again, for years. Dementia patients in general are treated poorly - they don't understand the painful things we do to them, yet we do them anyway.

We've done a lot to eliminate the paternalism in medicine. This is (probably) broadly a good thing. However, the family members of these patients would do well to have someone make a decision for them, to remove the guilt that they have for 'giving up' on their parent. The economic benefit of treating these patients is nil and the moral injury is high. Yet we do it anyways. This isn't the case in other countries.

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