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Rory Hester's avatar

Well crap. Apparently I am the only person up this early on a Sunday Morning. Sitting in front of computer in a hotel room for a meeting that isn't happening.

So apparently I have to be the first to tell Marc that he is full of crap.

Just kidding Marc. You are sort of spot on.

I've been learning a lot more about the mechanics of these welfare problems since my oldest daughter got knocked up, had a baby and moved back home to enroll in school full time.

Currently she receives...

- GI Bill (from me) to pay for school.

- Pell Grants.

- Work study job.

- WIC.

- Subsidized child care.

- Medicaid (or is it Medicare) for the baby. She is on my policy.

- Is applying to for a Section 32 low income apartment (fingers crossed... love my daughter and granddaughter, but kids need to go!),

- Working on SNAP.

- Also, she will obviously qualify for the CTC.

Literally an alphabet soup of programs. It is pretty cool... but... you would not believe how much paperwork is involved in each and every one of these steps. All are handled by different people and agencies. All involve tedious forms documenting all sorts of stuff. I can only imagine how much money is wasted on overhead.

Now I understand... people are shady. There are people who would take advantage of the system. (dont deny it... I know them personally). But sheesh. Why have all these programs with slightly different qualifications. Ran by different people. Using different forms.

In some ways I almost view it as a jobs program for social workers. I'm glad they have jobs. And in Boise, they are super competent and very kind. But...

Wow... on a National Level, so much money is wasted.

Lost my train though. Oh yeah... lets fix the damn welfare state.

My daughter is a pretty bright person, and I am a pitbull when it comes to researching and helping her with these things, but I can only imagine how overwhelming all this paperwork is for a single mom without the social capital that we have.

If you made it down to this, my final point to add is that grandchildren are awesome. My little Syble (it was my grandmothers name)... is so frickin cute. Grandchildren are way better than kids. My advice to you young single people out there is to skip kids, and go straight to the grandchildren.

I wish substack let us post photos... but if you care.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNhxN3kFHQz/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

(hopefully that isnt against the rules)

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RunnyEggYolks's avatar

“There’s no reason to insist that poor people buy food with their public assistance money (they will remember not to starve)”

I think one reason is to keep such programs in climates 3 and 4 rather than backsliding into climates 1 and 2. There’s an excellent argument for broadening the acceptable uses of SNAP/WIC to include foods intended for eating at the point of sale—back when I was a cashier any kind of hot food or prepared items like sandwiches, sushi, prepacked salads, etc were not SNAP eligible, but you could buy sandwich supplies, heads of lettuce, bags of rice and raw fish, etc, and I never fully understood the rationale for the distinction—and the brown eggs vs white eggs rule you mention is a good example of cruft, but some subset of people, however small, will in fact forget not to starve when they have a fungible resource that could be used on other compulsions.

I remember riding a public bus in San Francisco years ago and sitting next to two guys who seemed to be old friends. One of them was very patiently encouraging the other not to spend his remaining cash on scratchers (scratch off lottery-adjacent games) and arguing that he needed to buy food for the rest of the week, and the scratcher enthusiast was sincerely struggling with the choice. I had never seen that level of gambling addiction in person but it’s out there.

My point is, even if cash programs are more efficient *in aggregate* and better for most beneficiaries than food-only assistance programs, outlier stories (however rare) about heads of households buying scratchers and letting their kids go hungry are going to surface and attract outsize attention, and those are the kinds of things that push climate 3 and 4 people toward climate 1 and 2 mentalities. Hence a benefits-inefficient solution might in fact be more public-opinion-durable in the long run.

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