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City Of Trees's avatar

Thanks for this breakdown on the international side of things, Ben. Earlier this week, I did my own tale of the tape of prior presidents' decisions on whether or not to run for reelection, and even then I was failing to find many close examples. Most presidents knew when to press on and when to quit. I agree that we're in uncharted waters here.

The first one that came to mind was Martin Van Buren, who was deeply unpopular in the aftermath of the Panic of 1837....but he was renominated by acclamation. That seemed to have been a Democrats problem rather an a Van Buren problem, the opposite of the conundrum Biden is posing on the party.

Franklin Pierce is probably a better example, really messing things up with the Kansas-Nebraska Act, and actively lost a challenge to James Buchanan. (Little did they know that at the time they were exchanging a giant douche for an even bigger turd sandwich...)

The Republicans had their own version of Van Buren with Hoover in 1932, but their gooses were cooked anyway.

LBJ was also mentioned, but the two other contemporary examples to consider are Ford and Carter. Both had popularity problems of their own, and both ended up facing vigorous primary challenges in Reagan and Ted Kennedy...but the big differences there is that there was long an opposition figure that was unafraid to challenge, and that opposers could coalesce around. (And in Reagan's case, it could have been a poisoned chalice if he had defeated Ford.)

Ultimately though, the example I think of most is George Washington. He could have been president until he died if he wanted...but he instead made the wise decision to establish the doctrine of the peaceful transfer of power. And indeed, Washington would have not survived a third term. Biden needs to be reminded of Washington the most above all else, in my opinion.

And I'll conclude by observing that the concept of replacement level is so important for everyone to learn, including in politics and among politicians, and yet it's only commonly known among those who are in and follow sports. Once someone performs below replacement level, then getting anyone available has better odds of performing better. You're not guaranteed to get Johnny Unbeatable, but you could have better chances to get Johnny Less Likely To Be Beaten.

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Personally if the Democratic Party wants to win in 2024 they would pick someone not named Harris or Biden, and frankly not pick anyone in his administration. No Mayor Pete (who I think erred in not running for the Michigan senate seat), no Raimando, a clean break from the current leadership. Pick a Governor, probably Whitmer, and roll the dice.

Would this work? Who knows? What they’re doing now isn’t working

I would add, Nate Silver and others keep parroting that replacing Biden isn’t about the politics. This is lunacy. Of course it’s about the politics. If Biden were in the same polling position he was in 2020 he’d be the nominee, with no questions asked. He isn’t, and we can have the philosophical debate as to whether his age caused his decline or something else, but that is neither here nor there at this point. Democrats are losing, and Biden doesn’t seem capable of improving his position. That’s why the examples listed above changed horses, and it’s why Democrats should change horses now.

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