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Jeff's avatar

Regarding the claim that Obama et al cannot remove Biden from the race, that is true in a legal sense. But if they really did give a public press conference, and rally members of congress & governors etc, Biden's continuation would be untennable.

Matt's avatar

Once Biden gets out of the race, it really seems imperative that we go with someone other than Kamala. Not even because she's a poor candidate, but because, as MattY has pointed out several times, we need to maximize uncertainty since we're underdogs. Right now the Trump campaign has focused on a particular strategy against Biden. Getting him out of the race undermines that, but they're also decently prepared to campaign against Kamala. They've got lines of attack ready. So having someone else (Whitmer, Moore, etc.) neutralizes that preparation and leaves them scrambling. It's also important because the nominee can't be seen as aiding and abetting the Biden administration coverup of his mental decline. AND because there's a global anti-incumbency bias. The narrative NEEDS to be that the Democrats are different, that we're ready to have a fresh start with a fresh face. And that means abandoning both Biden and Kamala.

Bill Allen's avatar

" - Just don’t get your hopes up that it will actually happen or spend your time thinking that Barack Obama or some other magic figure can make it happen. That’s not how it works." By backing Hillary and telling Biden to stand down in 2016 there's no possible scenario in which Biden would allow Obama to tell him to stand down in 2024. Obama can't save the Democrats yet again.

Bill Allen's avatar

Democratic senators from safe, blue states need to be (as Josh Barro puts it) "the turd in the punchbowl" and put pressure on Biden to step down. The case for Biden stepping down is orders of magnitude greater than it was for Lyndon Johnson. Obviously that didn't turn out so well for the Democrats, but there were some other small issues going on at the time.

Susan Hofstader's avatar

Just want to say, point 25 seems like wishful thinking. I’m sure there will be coverage of Trump, but the spectacle of the sitting President falling apart in front of our eyes will be a bigger story, because it’s novel and gets clicks. We are not the UK.

Daniel's avatar

“Our side will take the lion’s share of the blame” is a prediction of a 2028 Republican win as well.

Ivan's avatar

Understandably, all of the discussion about who the Dems should replace Biden with is entirely focused on who can get the nomination and who would win. Seems we should at least give some thought about who would do a good job as President. One is the reasons I previously thought Biden should say in is that I think he had been unusually good at the non-performative aspects of being President. Seems at least some press coverage / discussion should cover that. I realize they’ve got to win for it to matter and it’s hard since no one is actually running yet.

Agree with Matt that the press should be spending more time on what Trump would do.

David Chase's avatar

I am so disappointed with both parties right now, and the fact that we got stuck in this place in the first place, that I refuse to vote for either Biden or Trump.

People keep talking about ending two party rule, so why not now? Why are we stuck talking about Biden vs Trump, and discounting everyone else?

I live in PA, and by the time we had our primary, my vote meant nothing, the choices had already been made. So much for one person, one vote. We need a national primary day. I feel so betrayed by the Democrats who claim they care, but then have things like super delegates (now greatly weakened) which exist to make sure that the party elites get to choose who will be the presidental nominee, regardless of what the people want.

The Republicans have had ideas, and are not much better, but at least they don't offer empty platitudes.

The ONLY way I will consider voting Democrat or Republican this recording is if they held a new national primary, but I am done with the power elite blowing smoke and pretending that they actually care about the people.

RFK is an auto-vaxxer, and I have a problem with that, but the rest of his platform is pretty decent, and he's not one of the two geriatric stooges.

Kyle's avatar

Fwiw I’d appreciate continual insight into the Biden drama even if Matt’s take doesn’t differ all that much from his contemporaries. For politics related info I read basically just this and the nyt. I don’t have the willpower to search around Substack and Twitter to collect the latest pundit consensus.

I know Matt you’re likely hoping to create a differentiated product but this is an important enough topic that I don’t think ongoing duplication is a problem really

FW's avatar

It's crazy to me that the biggest argument about Biden staying in the race is whether or not he can win. Isn't the much more relevant issue whether or not he is competent to SERVE as president, assuming he wins? I've yet to really see any if his due hards really make that case, which is telling.

Paragon of Wisdom…'s avatar

Buttigieg/Khan. Probably not the best ticket from an electoral perspective (and definitely not from a fundraising one, but oo-la-la

srynerson's avatar

Do you mean Lina Khan? She was born in the UK . . . .

BronxZooCobra's avatar

“ Procedural Rules of the 2024 Democratic National Convention”

Can’t those easily be changed by the DNC (National Commited)?

Mark Gilbert's avatar

I wrote to Biden, thanking him for his service to our country and asking him to step down. You can easily do the same at Whitehouse.gov.

srynerson's avatar

Biden can't safely resign from the presidency because there's no guarantee Republicans would allow Harris to appoint a new VP.

Xantar's avatar

Very very sadly, it is a zugzwang. If Biden stays, the Democrats lose. If Biden goes, he will in all likelihood also be forced to resign the presidency. President Harris loses. If Biden goes but stays president, Harris is the only realistic nominee, and Vice President Harris loses. Misogyny and race prejudice will prevent a realistic assessment of her merits. The political trajectories of McGovern/Eagleton and Ford are relevant here. Project 2025 is just the sick, sorry beginning to four years of full-on Orbanism.

KateLE's avatar

If Harris loses, the prime reason will be Democrats' inability to conceive of any reason outside misogyny and racial prejudice for why people don't like her.

srynerson's avatar

You know, I've kind of given up on this whole thing. It's just become too bizarre and sad.

That said, I think there is an interesting phenomenon on grassroots support for Biden going on. From social media and various progressive comments sections, there's clearly a non-trivial part of Democratic voters who have gone all in on reports of Biden's decline are "fake news" and this is a frame up by the objectively pro-fascist New York Times and CNN to help Trump win and/or stage a coup against Biden to replace him with a centrist candidate.

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Razib Khan's avatar

"Buttigieg + Ritchie Torres"

is america ready for a president and VP who are gay?