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David Dickson's avatar

I agree we’re in a second Cold War. But I think it’s not just with China, and it’s important to underline that.

I also think it’s pretty clear when that second Cold War began: February 24, 2022.

The Ukraine war made it official: We’re not going back. Regimes like Russia and China are not just going to try to oppose Western-aligned regimes, but discredit, neuter, and render democracy a dead letter where it lives—and where they do not accept it, physically crush it. China and company clearly regard all that as critical for their own regimes’ survival.

Qua Anne Applebaum, I think the dictators of the 21st century have found each other and realized their common interests, and what stands in the way of their common interests. And also qua Anne, I think that second Cold War is being very clearly fought at home, in a way the first never was, no matter what Joe McCarthy pretended.

A MAGA victory, and the return to power of a lawless indicted criminal in the United States, is China, Russia, and the whole corrupt gang’s dearest hope for victory, and for their enemies to go the way of the USSR circa 1991.

(Trump himself would probably agree, in a way—he seems to regard China’s model for governance with more admiration than America’s. If they just stopped calling themselves “communist” they wouldn’t be so bad, in his mind.)

To an extent MAGA ideas seem aimed at unwittingly losing the second Cold War, that may not be a coincidence. The MAGA foreign policy vision, if you can call it that, seems aimed not so much as bringing about “peace” as re-directing our martial energies away from engaging in world affairs, and toward crushing its domestic opposition at home. To them, Russia, China, authoritarianism writ large are nothing compared to the “threat” of the people in their own country they don’t like. All their boasting about their anti-China bonafides to the contrary, it’s a literally, and almost openly, anti-American message.

We may have to start acting, and politically treating them, accordingly. It will be difficult to align the fractious liberal coalition behind such a counterintuitive, “patriotic” platform. I don’t know that liberals can unite for any reason at this point, let alone for that one. But I think they’ll ultimately have no choice.

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Casey's avatar

The good news is this issue is genuinely getting traction, and throughout the Biden administration you've clearly seen bipartisan elite support moving in the right direction. The bad news is the American public has become more distinctly isolationist. I don't think there's public enthusiasm yet for going to bat for allies (or even for Taiwan) over Chinese aims in the Pacific. There needs to be a very distinct threat directly at American interests to galvanize support.

This all feels very sadly 1930s. The New Axis is armed to the teeth and on a roll, the New Allies are dawdling, with American elites trying to quietly start moving America back to war footing while the public, disillusioned by some foreign escapades about 20 years ago, wants nothing to do with playing a role in the global order. We might need a kick in the pants, but if Pearl Harbor happened now we'd be in trouble. By 1941 we were fully rearmed and in wartime production, or ready to be in months.

And I've said it elsewhere, but it is genuinely tragic that China is heading in the direction of is. The integration of a billion Chinese into the liberal order would have been outstanding. Look at the cultural footprint of the Asian powers that entered the order - batting way above replacement. The Chinese diaspora has made a huge positive impact here in the US. Nothing is set in stone, and things can still work out for the best. But it's not looking great right now.

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