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Rory Hester's avatar

I’m a little surprised at student loan forgiveness wasn’t included in this conversation. I’ve seen a lot to talk about means testing and student loan forgiveness on Twitter. And then I’ll compare it with other programs. Which I always get annoyed at since the other programs like Social Security a universal, whereas student loans our only held by a minority of the population, and a large part of that minority are better off than average.

I am a huge proponent of the refundable child tax credit. Personally I think it’s sort of dumb to means test it, but I understand the political calculations around it. I don’t look at the child tax credit as a welfare program. I look at it as investing in the future of the country. Theoretically a rich person’s kids in a poor person’s kids will contribute equally, even if we know in practice that it’s more complicated than that.

I’ve learned a lot about welfare programs in the last year and a half, because my daughter became a single mom. And then a full-time student. This is the list of programs that she benefits from: and value per month.

GI Bill (mine) $1326

Pell Grant (full amount) $520

Article 32 Housing (cheap rent) $400 savings

WIC (free milk and stuff) $100

SNAP (food stamps) $200

Medicare (health care for my granddaughter… she is covered under me) $100

Subsidized Child Care (500 a month for full time day care) $500

Work Study (Part-time job she qualifies for because of income) $400

Student Loans (Probably didn’t need this, but we took it anyway just in case they forgive it and it’s a cushion) $500 (6K total)

Various scholarships targeted at single moms or low income. $50

CTC $300

$3896 per month not including student loans since she might have to pay that back. Or $45.5K a year.

Note, the G.I. Bill pays her tuition separately so I did not deduct that.

She got $6000 of student loans. But that money is sort of set aside for emergencies. And we hope it will be forgiven.

I have to confess, she is not doing poorly. But qualifying for many of these programs, and doing the paperwork is a chore. It’s not super easy for everything.

And just in case there’s anyone who resents all this welfare, she is going to school for mechatronics. It’s only a two year program. And then she will end up as a woman in a STEM field making good money.

No, I really don’t help her that much.

The father is Scottish, so no chance of child support.

The article 32 housing, was pure luck. I happened to walk into the apartment complex which was where her child care place was located at and just ask. And they happen to have a rare article 32 housing apartment coming open. We jumped on it. And if anyone has seen the news, I don’t know the Boise he has had the highest rent increase in the country. Up 39%.

I should mention that she qualifies for all of this, despite me making a good living, because she is a single parent. Once you become a parent, they no longer penalize you for your parents income.

She has healthcare on my plan until she hits 23 because she is a full-time student. But she’s about to start her last year. So she will graduate at 22.

Oh yeah. She is getting straight A’s, and kicking ass.

Totally lost track of the whole purpose of my post. So I’m going to end it here.

Yes this post was dictated on a iPhone. So forgive any grammar or spelling mistakes.

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ZachAJ's avatar

I think the entire tax code and conversation has gone off the rails. My parents make about 70k and pay about 7% effective income tax (and less last year if you count all the stimulus checks they received and didn’t need, as they are no longer working and on Social Security. )

I have been lucky and worked hard, and I pay something like 45% all in. 45% seems appropriate. I’d even be fine with 50% or 55%, but not if all the services added are means tested. The CTC pisses me off. That’s the kind of rhetoric and legislation that makes me want to vote Republican (if there were any Romney or Jeb type republicans who weren’t crazy).

Matt is right in a pragmatic sense of what can pass, but it would be great if lawmakers change the rhetoric to make things less an “everyone against the rich” and more about how these programs will lift up everyone. Change the narrative and see if we can get buy-in for broad-based service increases for broad-based (progressive) tax increases.

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