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Bethany C's avatar

Love this - the EUA thing is particularly so obvious and frustrating.

Some thoughts that dovetail well with what you've said here:

I just returned from visiting my black, low-income family in Buffalo. Back in April 2020, covid swept through the family (8 older adults and 10ish young adults (18-25) living scattered through 2 houses (4 apartments)). None of my cousins my age had a symptomatic case, though we must assume in the cramped conditions everyone got sick. Of the older adults, 5 had serious cases, 1 was in the ICU for a month, and now has long covid. Another uncle of ours who lived in a nursing home died.

Fast forward to June 2021, all of the older adults are vaccinated but only 1 or 2 of my cousins are. I've tried to approach the subject with them gently, with understanding as a primary goal and persuading on the back burner. For the most part my cousins have been pretty dodgy about it, but I did get one to sit down and talk for a while. And he just had very reasonable questions: what's in it, how does it work, why do some people who get the shot still get sick, etc. "Am I going to have to miss work?" was notably *not* on the list, because he didn't even know enough about the vaccine to know there were side effects.

Now of course, all the information is readily available and he has a smartphone. But blame games are irrelevant to my point, which is that he inhabits a *vastly* different world than all of us, and his information ecosystem is just totally disconnected from ours. He doesn't read the NYT (or any other news source). His engagement with politics is nil. Any information he's getting about any of this is going to come in the form of snapchat or instagram stories, and that information is going to be super sporadic anyways. For the most part no one in his circles is going to be talking about the vaccines at all, they're talking about their annoying coworkers or some girl they're 'messing with' or the NBA playoffs. He does know that Cole Beasley, Josh Allen, and Stephon Diggs all refused to get the shot. (I will say that I do *not* think them publicly endorsing the shot would have registered on his radar at all or made a difference.)

After talking to him and calmly answering his questions, he was like "oh, I guess I'll go get one at rite-aid tomorrow." Note that my uncle had offered to drive him, and I'm not sure he'd have bothered even then if someone wasn't actively trying to give him a ride.

On reflection I think I have three takeaways:

1) One might expect that the family all having covid would provide *more* impetus to get shots, since they've seen how serious it can be. And I think that's true for the older adults. But I think my cousins reasonably think they're immune and also think that if they do get covid again, it won't be so bad. (*I* don't even understand why the vaccines would confer greater/different immunity, especially to variants, than actually having had covid. Why on earth would my cousins, who aren't not actively trying to answer that question?)

2) My cousins are, I think, reasonably representative of the norm among low-income black 20 year olds living in various ghettos. They're basically apolitical and don't engage with any mainstream channels of information or news, except sports. They were exposed to covid early on and were fine. And there just isn't a particularly compelling reason for them to go get vaxxed, nor is there anyone nagging them to do so.

3) I absolutely think they would get vaxxed if *both* a) they were offered a decent amount of money, 50 bucks seems like the right ballpark and b) the shots were *extremely* convenient - I'm talking like, walking distance. The less convenient, the more money it would take to motivate them. Mandates of various kinds might also do it - most likely as a requirement to see a Bills game, or to go to Canada, or for work (in their case, in Amazon warehouses). Only really confident in the last of these, though.

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David Abbott's avatar

My wife is the controller for a company that operates a warehouse in exurban Atlanta, Georgia. She offered unvaccinated employees $100 to get vaccinated. Two-thirds of those who hadn’t already been vaccinated got the jab. If one employee avoids getting covid because of that, the company has saved money.

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