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Priya A.L.'s avatar

I wish Matt had spent a bit more time discussing the partition of India in 1947. It’s so similar to the Israel situation but where no one is calling for a return to status quo ante and the dissolution of Pakistan and Bangladesh. My ancestors came over to Calcutta from the Pabna district in B’desh, albeit to escape constant flooding and for professional reasons, but a few years later and it could very well have been due to Partition. I don’t hold a key on a chain around my neck. There are movies and TV series about families (especially on the western front) who wax nostalgic about their old homes and neighborhoods in Lahore and Karachi. Best friends reunited after decades. But no one is clamoring for the Hindus who have now been in India for generations to go back to their old land in Pakistan. The two countries find each other highly irritating but fundamentally, we recognize the existence of the other.

Truly, I wish the Palestinians just saw a future in the land they do have (whatever, negotiate to ‘67 borders) and got on with the business of building a nation.

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Ha! I stayed up till 3:30 am my time working, so I get to be one of the first commenters for a change!

So, I have a lot of Feelings about this post, also I'm super sleep-deprived so I probably won't be very coherent or logical about any of this, here goes.

This sentence right here really, REALLY gets at the difference between the American liberal and the Polish (or really, any Old World country) traditional mindset:

"This version of Poland [the one that existed in between WWI and WWII] was not a particularly practical or workable idea."

And you know what, the American in me looks at that wonky map and nods sagely and says, yes, it certainly is not a very good map, look at those big populations of Ukrainians and Belorussians, do we really need Vilnius, shouldn't that go to Lithuania?"

And the Polish person in me, the one raised on stories of a century-plus of oppression and subjugation by foreign powers, looks at that sentence and says, "Hey doofus, WE GOT OUR COUNTRY BACK! Our independent homeland! Do you know what it meant to us, how Polish people under Russian and Prussian and Austro-Hungarian occupation used to pray, Grant us our free homeland back, O Lord? You have the temerity to criticize the Second Polish Republic for being impractical or something? You have no idea, you who were born in America and could always take it for granted that a bunch of German or Russian troops wouldn't just walk over and take your country from you!"

Ahem. The cognitive dissonance is strong.

Anyway! When I think that way, the Polish way I mean, I can sort of kind of understand the Palestinians. They lost their country! They want it back!

And yet, on the whole, with lots of "it's complicated", I support Israel and not Palestine, how can this be? Three reasons!

1. Poland was an actual, existing country before Russia and Prussia and Austria-Hungary took it away. We had a king and a royal castle and stuff! And the FIRST constitution in Europe, how about that! In contrast, there was never a country called Palestine. OK, but that's kind of a weak sauce excuse, so what if there was no official country "Palestine," there's still Palestinian national identity. So, on to...

2. The goal was Polish independence, not the annihilation of the occupying nations. Mostly we just wanted them to f*** off and go back where they came from, to their own sovereign nations of Russia and Germany and wherever. In contrast, there is no sovereign nation that Jews can "go back to" that is THEIRS, no secret Jewish nation in Antarctica or Atlantis. Israel is it. Furthermore...

3. I was a child when I learned Polish history, and maybe it was somewhat sanitized for a child's consumption. However, while the stories I heard certainly emphasized manly heroism and glorious death in battle, I do not recall anyone EVER promoting things like "let's rape a bunch of Russian women and slaughter a bunch of Russian children, that'll learn 'em for occupying us!" Acts of savagery and butchery against civilians were strongly frowned upon. We wanted to see ourselves as the good guys, the beleaguered scrappy heroes who fight against overwhelming odds, not murderers and rapists of unarmed civilians.

Anyhow, I have to get a bit of sleep now, also the only reason I'm up so late is that I procrastinated catastrophically earlier this week, so to anyone reading this: learn from me and please don't do what I did.

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