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Zack's avatar

As a center-right guy who loves reading your takes, I think the main factor that gets left out of urbanist/YIMBY/density discussions is schools. Realize this isn't the case for you, but I wonder if this is because a large number of self-described urbanists are young and don't have kids. Here's the issue I see:

People don't live in suburbs just because they enjoy backyards and don't like street noise (although those are real factors), but also because the schools are better. The are complicated reasons for this to be sure, but I can't think of a single metropolitan area where the public schools in the urban core compare favorably with those in middle/upper-middle class suburbs.

Even if you convinced people with kids that it was worth trading their yards, parks, and quiet streets for denser living situations, you'd need to make sure there was somewhere for them to send their kids to school. Sadly, this isn't just a funding issue. There's a death spiral issue wherein wealthier parents will not want to be the first one to send their kids to the local school, even if all of them doing so would make the school measurably better just from a student human capital perspective.

What you likely need to do is increase the number of magnet/charter schools that rely on testing for admissions to attract these parents back to downtown (and not private schools). Unfortunately, left-wing energy is very much in the opposite direction for equity reasons currently.

I really admire your efforts to make the case for density in the language of the right - I just think you'll need to have an answer on schools to make the argument more complete. I hope that's coming next!

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I hope this sways some people, I really do. But I gotta say what I think is the case is that cultural conservatives hate cities qua cities because they think that living in cities causally makes people liberal.* And I suspect they're right! It's a different outlook on life when you're an atomized individual in a whole city of people from all over and can meet up in person with other people with your highly specific interests, instead of being a community member with a neatly defined place in a limited collective with shared cultural priors. And most Republicans seem to care much more about propping up their cultural traditions using state power than they care about the free market – consider Arkansas' attempt to ban meatless meat producers from using meat terminology in their product names. Less 'party of the free market', more 'vegetarianism is for sissies and we shouldn't encourage it'.

But today I was reminded of the poll finding that high-news-consumption partisan Democrats are worse at understanding Republicans than low-news-consumption Dems, so maybe I'm overstating the case. Plus I'm obviously biased here; I tried to phrase the above paragraph non-condescendingly but yeah if you put a gun to my head I'd admit I think cities are great and the higher proportion of humanity who lives in them the better. So it's not like I'm a dispassionate economist who's *not* doing cultural warfare, so maybe my pessimism about Republicans and their cultural views is motivated reasoning. But I'm still not holding my breath looking for YIMBY allies much further right than the Joe Straus/Chad Mayes school of Republicanism.

*an even less charitable view is conservatives hate cities because of the demographics of people who tend to live in cities, and I gotta say there's a fair amount of evidence that that's true of at least some conservatives.

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