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Matthew Yglesias's avatar

Is this thing on? Usually we get comments by now.

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From a perspective a notch or two to your left, I find it interesting how much you see religion as central to the left/right divide. I don’t think you need to take the vulgar Marxist “opiate of the masses” view of religion as a mystifying justification for inequality (itself something of a distortion of Marx’s original sentiment) to see the recurring correlation of religion and anti-egalitarianism as being driven more by the latter than the former. (As you note, in the First Estate, it was generally the bishops on the right and parish priests on the left.) Do you really think that the left/right divide is driven (at least in part) by religious views?

Put another way, while religion is certainly more often part of a right-wing worldview than a left-wing one, it’s both coherent to talk about left-wing religious people and movements in principle and possible to find actual historical examples of them (Martin Luther King, Jr. and liberation theology off the top of my head). And vice-versa on the right. Inequality can be naturalized through the use of science and pseudoscience (economics to justify class inequality, biology to justify gender and race) just as easily as religion. Nazism was able to find accommodation with traditional religion as it came to power, but it certainly wasn’t driven by it (though you could see it as being quasi-religious in the same way the far-left cults of reason you describe). The right can even be outright anti-religious: Ayn Rand and Nietzsche each thought religion was poisonous precisely because it held back members of the natural aristocracy. And you see today “barstool conservatives” and the alt-right (or whatever they are now) who have little use for religion except as something used to own the libs.

By contrast, I think that “right-wing egalitarianism” and “left-wing anti-egalitarianism” are almost contradictions in terms. In the real world, people and ideas are messy: obviously people generally seen as having overall left-wing views can be strong supporters of hierarchy along certain axes (esp. it seems in matters of gender), and people with egalitarian ideals or goals can mistakenly end up advocating policies that end up supporting existing hierarchies (or creating new ones). And as you note, a policy program or broader worldview (like liberalization or nationalism) that is left-wing in one context can be right-wing in another. But there’s at least a *tension* there that isn’t the case with respect to religion as such. The accusation that “you say you support equality, but your ideas seem to be popular with Hollywood celebrities and urban elites and unpopular with the rural working class” has bite—“you say you support equality but you believe in God” just doesn’t.

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